Cavok 1 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Hi, I'm searching for a modern Study GA Aircraft comparable to the Flight 1 Super King Air B200. I've now spent many enjoyable hours learning the avionics in this superbly modelled machine and wonder if their is anything out there similar in complexity. Thanks. Cavok. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Have a look at Eaglesoft's Citation X. It is a Gorgeous plane, but it is a bit too complicated for my casual style unfortunately. It takes me 30 minutes to get her ready to fly, and get the avionics programmed...I assume this means it is "well modeled". Hehe. Link to post Share on other sites
donnybalonny 46 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 What kind of complexity are you looking for and could you be more specific in types of GA aircraft. There´s a big Difference between a pipe cub and a Cessna Citation X. The A2A Piper cub, Cessnas and the Cherokee are all pretty complex and will need that you do things right, especially if you have failures on. Besides that, the one ones I have, the C172 and the Cherokee, flies really well when you have set them up correctly. Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Thanks Matt and Anders for your comments. I was pleased to have chosen The B200 10 seat Twin Turboprop as my first (one and only) Addon aircraft. Its Avionics, systems and particularly the G1000 are so accurately modelled, with most switches and buttons working as they should. Also the outside modelling seems to be as good as it gets. So its these qualities I'm after in an aircraft up to this size. Prop or turbo,single or twin preferably with modern all weather avionics. When I started I thought I'd go to PMDG with all the above qualities and more but the tube liner flight deck is not for me just yet. I will continue to learn and enjoy flying my B200 but something else with the same simulation depth would be nice to have too. I'll look carefully at the aircraft you recommend. Cavok. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 CitationX certainly is missing props, turbo or otherwise...unless you wish to consider all those compressor blades as sort of a Ducted Fan arrangement Majestic "MJC Dash 8Q 400" is my next suggestion if it's a prop/turbo prop you're after, and it's a helluva great airplane...again, usually too complex for my patience, but very very rewarding when I knuckle down and get all the switches flipped in the right order. Link to post Share on other sites
donnybalonny 46 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well, I´m mostly into complexity in flight dynamics, thats why I said A2A products. They are complex in all aspects. Another very nice little Turboprop liner is the PMDG BAE Jetstream 41. It may look a little dated on the outside compared to some of the more flashy competitors, but it really flies well, the buttons are all there, the VC is stunning and the FMC is pretty simple and easy to learn. Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thanks again for your suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I'm not going to recommend the product of any specific vendor, nor do I really know if there is a really top-notch, definitive FSX version for either. However, two aircraft that you may find worthy of your attention are the Pilatus PC-12 and the Piaggio P180. John Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre 28 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Hello Cavok and welcome to the forum. It's nice to see another Northener around these parts, I'm just down the road in Washington. I support John's suggestion of the Pilatus PC-12 but I'm a huge fan of A2A aircraft with the Cessna 182 as my current favourite. It's difficult though as it is so much down top personal taste. Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Thanks again. As Graeme says it comes down to personal preference but its nice to hear the opinions of others. I'm sure all these aircraft, in their own way, are worthy of adding to a collection. The Cessna 182 takes my fancy at the moment but I'm viewing each closely. Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Love the C182 but if you enjoy more engines you might want to look at their B17 also, it looks like a treat. Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Hi Brett B17. Never really thought of looking in this direction.Good simulation. Also like the switch click sound and the instrument vibrations and of course the wobbling engine cowlings. Great stuff. Must stay focused. Link to post Share on other sites
CaptCWGAllen 10 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Real Air Twins are well modelled - both dynamically and systems. cheers Peter Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I am only guessing here but there is a flight sim expo coming up in Connecticut in the middle of this month and I have a feeling that A2A will premier a new aircraft. They usually put out two a year and following their GA line a Piper Seminole might be the next release. Again this is only a wild guess based on a twin being next as Scott G(the creator of A2A) having purchased one about a year+ ago. The oracle has spoken. Then again it could be the T-6 or anything for that matter, did anyone see the C182 coming............. Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I need to clean my crystal ball, the next A2A release(sometime next week?) is going to be a Piper Comanche 250 from the 50's. Looks pretty nice and has retractable gear but was really hoping for something more I think (like a twin). I will still probably get it but not really in such a hurry for the buy this time around. You can check out the announcement here. http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47393 Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Oh my...I'm going to be all over that. Low wing! Fast! Cargo capacity! Range(- a bunch of that fuel = more cargo capacity!!). Bet it will cost low enough to be a starter plane in AH (at least I hope so...if not...I'll haul a few 172 loads till I can buy it). Thanks for the heads up Brett! Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Once I saw the cargo capacity you came to mind Matt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
J G 927 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Ant's airplanes products are all good http://www.antsairplanes.com/ I love the Tiger Moth and it is free!! Link to post Share on other sites
wain 879 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I need to clean my crystal ball, the next A2A release(sometime next week?) is going to be a Piper Comanche 250 from the 50's. Looks pretty nice and has retractable gear but was really hoping for something more I think (like a twin). I will still probably get it but not really in such a hurry for the buy this time around. You can check out the announcement here. http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47393 thats nice, I only have the C172 but this is a possible going to end up in my hangar..... Wayne Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi, Thanks again for all your suggestions. I've looked at them all and it becomes clear, in their own way, all are worthy of wheeling into the hanger. When you think about it, the cost of these aircraft is minimal (and some are free). At most, a few beer's. Maybe a lunch. That's all. And what immersive pleasure they bring for month after month. Pretty exceptional value eh. For me though, the importance of choosing study aircraft is not finical but rather the heavy commitment of time and effort needed to squeeze out a full understanding of all the aircrafts detail. Avionics, systems, flying characteristics and superb modelling along the way. It takes me a long time to learn these days but its great. It also becomes a tribute to the developers and all their effort. Cavok. Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 +1 You are so right, in the beginning I had fun just learning to fly and checking out the world but after awhile and needing more from my sim, I was blessed with some crackerjack modeled sim planes and the thrill of learning each and every facet of these babies has become an obsession. So let us know what you have picked up and post a screenshot of one or all, we would love to see them in action. Link to post Share on other sites
NitroUK 13 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Id recommend just Flights excellent Fokker F27 Friendship 100/200/300 .. A superbly modelled aircraft with a feel for yester year or something a bit newer the excellent the Alabeo C404 Titan (one of my birthday purchases) Best wishes Glenn Link to post Share on other sites
Cavok 1 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi, Now watched as much as I can of all your suggestions. As already said, its not a matter of one better than the other. All have enough excellent merit to have in your fleet. For starters though, I'm going for the new (old second hand) A2A Comanche 250. But others highlighted here will follow. look forward to flying again. Thanks for all your help. Cavok. Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Great choice, it's fast, looks gorgeous and flies like a dream. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 The Comanche will not disappoint. A terrific choice...for "Study" it is about as real as it gets. Tip...mind that gear switch...it has 3 positions. Very easy to forget that you need to hit it twice (push past the "Off" position) each time you raise and lower the gear. I like it though, because if I accidentally hit the gear switch (G Key) it will flip the switch to "OFF" instead of lowering the gear in flight. Cheers Matt. Link to post Share on other sites
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