Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 "Terrorists fleeing the scene of retaliation prior to the event" would look very suspiciously like they had been "tipped off" through official channels...however, "Saving Civilian Lives by dropping Warnings" (Do armies drop leaflets warning civilians to beware of dropping bombs...but..."sshhhhhh...don'tt tell the terrorists") looks like "being nice"(...if the looker is a complete and utter moron) and allows one's destabilization operation forces get out of town before the local Civilians get bombed...yet again. But, they were warned this time...so if any get Collaterally Damaged...well, it's their own fault now isn't it??? Link to post Share on other sites
SEATAC 400 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 At least...Hollande [has] the balls to do something. Even a dyed-in-the-wool Socialist like him can smell the coffee when the entire pot of boiling liquid is poured into his lap. He's got a great grasp of the obvious when it can no longer be denied. John Unfortunately, it will take another 9/11 type event in the US to spur Obama to do anything meaningful. Link to post Share on other sites
J G 927 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 U.S. F-15 fighters dropped leaflets, prior to bombing ISIS trucks telling people to leave so they would not kill anyone. WTF? The whole basis of terrorist action is that they hide in plain sight. Warn the people and you are warning the terrorist. It gives them time to scram, or to buss in loads of civilians to plan a US outrage. I hope that Russia integrates into a cohesive front against IS. I fear that the only long term solution is boots on the ground, there may be no other way. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 ISIS has posted a photo of what they say is the bomb that brought down the Russian aircraft... http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-shows-photo-improvised-russian-plane-bomb-151230148.html What first looked like a corroded bottom of the can now looks to me as if it's been cut out and put back with epoxy. The item in the center is an electric blasting cap - the detonator. On the right is something wrapped in electrical tape, with two leads only. Two LEDs are visible, one red, one green. It's likely a battery and a switch of some kind, possibly barometric, possibly a timer - it's too small to be a cell phone and probably too small to be any other kind of remote command-detonated device. If you look carefully at the bottom center of the can, there's a hole big enough to insert the blasting cap into and a white substance showing through it. In all likelihood, the can was opened and drained through that - the pull-tab top is probably un-opened and intact. I saw one write-up that says the Russians believe there was about a pound of TNT. If it fit in a 12 oz. drink can, it would be less than that, more like a half-pound, but plenty to get the job done depending on where it was placed. This particular aircraft had an auxiliary long-range tank installed in the aft cargo bay, which seems to be near the center of the event. It's impossible to tell if this is image is authentic but it's plausible. If the battery is connected to the cap and the switch between them is closed, it's going to go BOOM. Something like this should be visible in baggage on an X-Ray if monitored by someone reasonably alert and competent. Wires and batteries are a red flag and the blasting cap is unmistakable. It may be that the device was introduced directly into the AC by an ISIS sympathizer who was an airport worker, in which case it would not have been X-Rayed. If in checked baggage, it should have been screened. Ramp workers, mechanics, baggage handlers, etc, with airside access are of concern. That's going to be a hard one to guard against. Egyptian authorities insist it's too soon to conclude that this was a bomb but I suspect it will always be too soon for them to reach that conclusion. The Russians are certain. John EDIT: Oh, yeah, there's a rocker switch in the base of the object on the right. JDA Link to post Share on other sites
SEATAC 400 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Alan, If you think Russia is attacking ISIS for any ideological reasons think again. Putin, former KGB man, is propping up Assad because he wants to become a major power player in the middle East and this is a good way to get a foothold, in addition to their deals with Iran. They would like nothing better than to frustrate and humiliate the U.S. He may be out to get ISIS now, but only sofar as to whatever suits his long term plans. If he can strike them and make everyone else look incompetent, the better for him Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,315 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Let's try and keep the politics out of our threads guys and stick to the aviation theme please. (realize it's hard, I chomp at the bit all the time ) Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Alan, If you think Russia is attacking ISIS for any ideological reasons think again. Putin, former KGB man, is propping up Assad because he wants to become a major power player in the middle East and this is a good way to get a foothold, in addition to their deals with Iran. They would like nothing better than to frustrate and humiliate the U.S. He may be out to get ISIS now, but only sofar as to whatever suits his long term plans. If he can strike them and make everyone else look incompetent, the better for him I didn't say they were doing it for idealocial reasons, I just said they were doing what they said they'd do, rather than Cameron who is just pissing about and trying to decide if he has a backbone! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SEATAC 400 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 At least there is a possibility Cameron has a backbone. We already know that Obama doesn't have one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
J G 927 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Putin has a backbone. all snakes do. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 https://news.yahoo.com/video/two-suspects-being-held-russian-102928862.html I'm posting the full text of the article below because the link seems to be a little funky... "Two Suspects Being Held In Russian Plane Crash Egyptian authorities have detained two employees of Sharm al-Sheikh airport for questioning in connection with the downing of a Russian jet on Oct. 31 that killed all 224 people on board. A Egyptian security official said "Seventeen people are being held, two of them are suspected of helping whoever planted the bomb on the plane at Sharm al-Sheikh airport." CCTV footage showed a baggage handler carrying a suitcase from an airport building to another man, who was loading luggage onto the doomed airliner from beneath the plane on the runway." Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,315 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Good news. If they helped I hope they get what's coming to them. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I suspect being held in an Egyptian jail is not a great way to get your fun-meter pegged high. After a week of that they'll probably confess to anything up to and including sinking the Titanic. Not to say they're innocent - or guilty - anything is possible, I guess. John Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Good news. If they helped I hope they get what's coming to them. I'd add/clarify: If they "Knowingly" helped... (pretty sure that's what you meant Brett... ) As a courier I'd hate to think that simply delivering a bag or parcel alone deserves time in an Egyptian prison But ya, if anyone knowingly helped, I hope they get far more punishment than they deserve...like 200 times more, or whatever the passenger/crew count was. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
stu7708 244 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 According to a Swedish newspaper the preliminary report from Egyptian authorities there was no evidence supporting an act of terrorism! No mention as to what else would have caused it though... Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 "Evidence"...or "Proof". Seemed like a lot of Evidence was presented already. Perhaps they mean it wasn't terroism, but a murder? Was there anyone important/whistleblowy on board? Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Egypt will likely not ever sign on to admitting it's terrorism. You don't have to look any further than their performance in the Egyptair 990 debacle. John Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Mechanic suspected of planting bomb in Russian passenger jet for ISIS Not exactly a smoking gun and, as usual, Egypt is stonewalling, but there may be something to this. It's plausible, at least http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/29/egypt-losing-250-million-monthly-after-russian-plane-crash.html Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,315 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 And they wonder why tourism is down. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 OK, I was wrong... Egypt has admitted that it was terrorism. I said previously that they never would. Of course el-Sissi is not Mobarak. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/02/25/for-first-time-egypt-calls-sinai-jet-crash-act-terrorism.html?intcmp=hplnws Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,315 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 It seems the prez knows why but not who, he must be an amazing man. Link to post Share on other sites
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