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    the new scenery by Godzone jk0616 jk0621 jk0638 jk0645 jk0664 jk0660
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    I think the difference is probably rule-based. Some US military pilots were disciplined some time ago for busting minimums on a sports stadium flyover that looked pretty modest. I think the brass hats keep the demo teams on a fairly short leash. I've seen the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds any number of times and also single ship demos of F-15 and F-14 (back in the day) and A-10, maybe some others I don't remember. Of all of them, the F-14 put on the best show but, a) it was about 1982, I think, so different rules, and b) it was a clear, cloudless day with no ceiling. Most of the other demos I've seen had some level of ceiling or at least scattered clouds that probably constrained what they could do somewhat. My perceptions of... - Loudest air show event - Blue Angels C-130 Fat Albert doing a JATO/RATO takeoff. - Loudest air show take-off/flyover - B1 Lancer, going at the speed of heat (Six Blue Angels FA-18s a close second - twice as many engines as the Thunderbirds doing the same thing in F-16s) - Loudest sustained airshow event - Harrier in hover If you really pay attention, the pre-main event for the Blue Angels is a demo of Fat Albert by her USMC crew and they REALLY horse that thing around, including steep bank turns at about 1-1/2 wingspans from terra firma, short field landings and takeoffs, backing up on the ground, etc. It's just a warm-up for the FA-18s but they put on a pretty good show. Of course, they're probably very lightly loaded when they do that, but still pretty impressive. Haven't seen any demos by non-US military pilots except the Canadian Snowbirds, a long time ago. Very precise and artistic, as I recall, but the aircraft they fly are not in the same performance category with 3rd and 4th generation fighter types. An observation about the big name demo teams and something probably overlooked by most - in a typical show they do a number of routines that end up with four (or sometimes six) aircraft heading off in different directions at high speed, sometimes at different altitudes and attitudes. Despite that, in 45 seconds, they're all back together, at the same speed and altitude, pointed in the same direction, positioned for the run-in to the field for the next maneuver. That's a hell of a lot more difficult than most people realize and speaks to hours and hours of planning and practice. All the teams I've seen seem do it equally well. John
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    Yes, the Americans seem more reserved in their flying. I am from the UK originally and went to many RIATs and other shows. I had seen the USAF fly the F-15 a few times, but they was a very conservative shows. I went to Waddington one year and the Israelis flew the F-15 I and WOW.....they really showed how to fly it! It put the American's to shame. Other favorite displays have been the Su-27 Flankers and the MiG-29's.......happy days!
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    I think that how American pilots fly in an air show may depend upon which American pilots are flying. Let me share a totally unexpected experience that I had many years ago while in the Marine Corps and watching the Blue Angels fly at Beaufort Air Station: I worked in a two-story building at the air station that was located beside the end of a runway. Since the building had a flat roof, all the men in my unit decided to watch the air show from the roof. That gave us a great view of the runways. In the direction away from the runways, we couldn't see anything due to all of the nearby pine trees. We watched as the Blue Angels flew straight up in formation from the middle of the air base and did their fleur de lis maneuver, in which they fly off in all directions from the top of the maneuver and disappear over the horizon. While we continued to watch the middle of the air field, one of the Blue Angels unexpectedly came from behind us over the treetops and directly over the roof of our building. We didn't see it until it was directly on top of us. All of us just about came out of our boots. Believe me, that aircraft was low!
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