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i have quite a few vids of the 380 when it was being test flown a year or more before it came really into the publics eye.. where i live near perpignan we suffer quite a lot of wind here a wind of 70mph for 10 days is not unusual in fact we have had now over the last 3 weeks winds up to 110 mph , but one gets used to it and all the trees lean to the east, the wind is called the tramontana btw.

anyway i digress

because toulouse is a fairly busy airport airbus use perpignan for training and touch and goes especially when it is windy. I have several vids that i took of the 380 doing slow approaches into ppg and they were heart stopping with big wing drops, it became apparent to me that the plane suffered from lack of aeleron authority, made all the more obvious when a 738 of ryanscare landed immediatly afterward with no effort at all.

As luck has it a dear friend of mine worked for a cad-cam company that had over 300 seats at airbus, and i offered him my observations, about 3 weeks later he dropped me an email informing me that airbus were modifying the wing for the production line, from airframe no 3 i think, to encompass larger aelerons.

I wish i could compress my vids for you all to see as they are on tape however it is not easy and a 30 minute vid takes up a lot of space.

along the same line and real pilots will understand this , my wife and I were on our terrace one afternoon and our attention was drawn to the sky by a noise and there at about 10k feet was a 340 being held fully stalled out descending at our terrace. now any pilot will know as we have all practiced stalls, when the airflow beaks away from the wing and reconnects it makes quite a bang, so my wife and i were watching mesmerised watching this a/c descending flatly in our direction untill at about 4k , no more, he opened the throttles and with a whoosh the wings gripped the air and he slowly climbed away. to say i was getting concerned at this point would be an understatement but away he went.

it does bring into question whether the french caa alow this sort of thing over a built up area, or does the rule enough height to glide clear of a built up area come into play?

whatever, wifey and i were starting to look for places to jump under for protection not that they would have offered any protection but it had us truely worried.

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My guess is they were attempting to validate what happened with AF 447. Holding an A340 fully stalled - sure sounds like a familiar scenario to anyone who's read the analysis of that accident.

 

John

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as i recall it was some months before af 447 , but if you use one of the "radar sites" on the internet you will see lots of airbus test flights daily out of toulouse that fly in our area.

i took some pics a few years ago of a learjet formating on a 340 for quite a while at about 10-15k only to see the pics in the press a few days later

yeah it can be "breezy" here makes riding my motorbikes interesting

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Hi "britfrog",

seems to be very windy, indeed. Also the incident 2008 close to Perpignan. The Captain used the flight controls and the thrust levers to try to recover the airplane. The stall warning stopped and the last recorded values were a pitch of 14° nose down, a bank angle of 15° to the right, a speed of 263 kt and an altitude of 340 ft. Less than a second later, the airplane crashed into the sea.

For example about test flights.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20081127-0

Shortly before I was on a flight of exactly this Aircraft from XL Company. :stars:

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