mutley 4,498 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hi chaps, this is a discussion thread for the next major section of the challenge. I would like to get your feedback please on a few things. [*:1aowrsvj] Destinations for the next section?[*:1aowrsvj] Number of flights for the next section?[*:1aowrsvj] Are we battle weary, do we need a short break before the next section?[*:1aowrsvj] Are you happy with the format? [*:1aowrsvj] Would you like to see any changes?[*:1aowrsvj] We have noticed a lack of feedback for posts recently, is this because there are too many flights in a section?[*:1aowrsvj]What's your view of the length of the legs? Each of us seems to have favorite types of aircraft. Are you finding legs of appropriate length to bid on, or would you prefer to see some longer or shorter?(Added by John) Just to finish- We are all spurred on by comments good and bad for our posts so if you can give a reply please do as it is always appreciated. Onward and upward! Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I'd like to add a question for everyone to Mut's list. What's your view of the length of the legs? Each of us seems to have favorite types of aircraft. Are you finding legs of appropriate length to bid on, or would you prefer to see some longer or shorter? John [EDIT] Added to list John, thanks[/EDIT] Link to post Share on other sites
wisemanp 0 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Here are my opinions... 1. No preferences...Cape Town probably and Lagos (now Abuja i think????) 2. There are considerably more countries in Africa than S.America, but we don't want the challenge going on tooo much... 3. I'd be happy whatever, infact it would probably be best done sooner rather than later 4. I am happy with the format at the moment 5.I'd like to see a wider range of pilots!! 6. Might be, or maybe people don't want to repeat other's posts... Johns question: I think it is good to vary the length and aircraft between short, GA or historic aircraft, and longer, jetliner hauled flights. But remember, as I always say, that's just my opinion... Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks Phil, all comments are appreciated and noted and here are some responses from me- 1. I think Cape Town will be our start point for the new AA. That means we will require a Pilot to fly from Port Stanley to South Africa. 2. We don't anticipate flying to every country, I think we can afford to me more selective in Africa as Europe will be the final section before we has a stand alone section just for the UK. 3. Point taken we are giving people the opportunity to have a breather if they want. 4. The format is now mostly familiar to our regular flyers but we are open to suggestions. 5. We do keep trying to attract more pilots and will go on another recruitment drive before the start of this section (Note to self, get off butt and get on with it!0 6. Thanks! 7. I think we cover this quote well if you look at previous posts. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
simi_av8r 0 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Hi Mutley, I'm siding with Phil here Joe on more than one of his points.. The current format is great, destinations chosen previously have been ideal, I don't think a breather is what we need, getting on with it I feel would be best.... onwards and upwards as they say! Although there are a few destinations that i think should be included to allow for a much wider range of aircraft possibilities e.g. bush, light aircraft, ultralights, helos etc... less of the day to day tin-can's if you follow me...... and i certainly think that we need to call up Rogs and offer a few flights his way! Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Hi everyone - here's my sixpence worth (2.5 New Pence, then!) : 1. Yep - start at Cape Town and possibly include some islands on the Indian Ocean side, say Reunion? A fly past Kilimanjaro would be cool - and I like Simi's ideas of some bush flying (spot the elephants?) We should fly over the big lakes and take in the big rivers (Congo, Nile etc) Time to get the 'boats out lads! Oh yes - don't forget the pyramids.... 2. Africa's a big continent - it'll take some gettin' around - sounds like a job for a millepede..... 3. Let's get a few more suggestions before we start - perhaps we can propose legs ourselves before the entire route is laid out? Personally, there are one or two old BOAC schedules that look possible. 4. Formats fine for me, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be improved - we need some good suggestions. 5. See 4! 6. The general quality of most of the legs is really good. I'll admit that my contributions tend to compensate for my lack of experience in simming by introducing odd-ball scenarios, dialogue etc (and I don't compare myself with John on this - his posts are in the stratosphere). So, I do think that maybe we might be putting off some potential contributors because they don't think that their posts are up to scratch - if you follow me? There's no doubt we're one of the friendliest forums in the simming world - but we might appear to be a bit cliquish on the ATWC front because we know eachother well. 7. If some of the legs could be 'user defined' then their length won't be a problem. Other legs should be of 'real life' length - i.e. a scheduled flight between international airports or a more local flight with tourism (sorry!) potential. Here endeth the lecture - sorry, I got carried away (Don't worry, Dai - you soon will be, Ed) And lastly, how about another chat session with the African Adventure as the main topic?? Cheers - Dai. :mrhappy: Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Destinations for the next section? : Casablanca (there's only one AC suitable for the departure from there, hopefully in dense fog.) Gibraltar (I know, it's not in Africa, but might be more convenient in this segment than the European one.) Malta (ditto) Atlas Mountains (Fly-over) Stanley Falls (Fly-by) Victoria Falls (Fly-by) One or more of the Afrika Corp vs. Allies sites Tobruk, Benghazi, etc. Table Mountain (Cape Town?) I like Dai's suggestions about the pyramids, the major rivers and some of the Indian Ocean Islands. Number of flights for the next section? Twenty-ish, but allow for more if the free-form option takes hold. Are we battle weary, do we need a short break before the next section? Indifferent on this one. Are you happy with the format? Yes, but would a written guideline help new pilots? What to include, shot sizes, posting schedule (covered in the rules already), etc?. If something like that would help bring in some new players, I'd be happy to start a draft. I climbed the learning curve from asking, "what exactly would we be bidding on?" To a post that almost pushed us off the server. I can recall a lot of uncertainty early on over what I should do and how I should do it. Would you like to see any changes? I kind of like the suggestions about some free-format legs where the user defines his leg. Not sure how the logistics would work, but this is a fairly smart bunch of folks. I'm thinking we could work something like that out. We have noticed a lack of feedback for posts recently, is this because there are too many flights in a section? I agree with the observation, but don't know the reason. Feedback is a sure-fire catalyst. In my opinion it produces far more energy in the recipient on his next post than the effort it cost to provide it. What's your view of the length of the legs? Each of us seems to have favorite types of aircraft. Are you finding legs of appropriate length to bid on, or would you prefer to see some longer or shorter? (Added by John) I haven't had any issues finding something (or several somethings) to bid on, but others may not feel that way. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Free-format flights...here's a way to do it - maybe? 1 - When compiling the segment, Controller designate a few long legs between two international airports, e.g. A and B, as free form legs. (Probably no more than two such legs.) 2 - As a free-form leg approaches, prospective pilots make proposals for the sub-leg beginning at A, submit details, i.e. destination, AC, points of interest, something special to pique interest, etc. 3 - Using the survey or polling feature of the forum, members vote on which submission to accept. Majority rules, relatively little workload for controller (I think). 4 - After first sub-leg is flown and posted, repeat 2 & 3 above until B is reached via some indeterminate number of sub-legs. If we tire of it, the guy who proposes a 737 direct to B is going to get the votes. 5- Possibly set some limits such as the maximum number of sub-legs to reach B, maximum deviation from the straight line course between A & B, etc. just to keep this from becoming a goat rope. Random Thoughts: These are likely to gravitate toward shorter, low altitude, GA or bush type flights, hopefully. I can see this producing some really interesting posts that might feature scenery and such over aircraft. Each sub-leg flier would seem to be stuck with his departure point, but maybe we could allow a 20 mile or 50 mile grace-radius for selecting a new one. For example, if Dai lands in a river with a float plane, dgor can fly out of a grass strip nearby in a helicopter or bush plane. That would allow for different types of aircraft, regardless of the last one used. By staying with a small number of these legs, we limit the effect if they turn out to be unpopular. If the first falls on its face, the second can revert to a single one-flight leg, though would have to be bid in mid-segment to assign a pilot. Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Any more suggestions guys? We will be deciding pretty soon Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'll go with John's suggestions - especially the 'free flight' idea. On the 'lack of reply' posts, we're still a relatively small group of active members, so I guess this limits the number of replies anyway. A screenshot 'comp' for the SAS might liven things up? Similarly, some sort of 'feed-back' request TAM might ellicit more discussion - I'm not sure! Hey - keep up the standards and we'll all want to contribute, eh? Cheers - Dai. Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Thanks Dai, I am looking at this now and your map, good work Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Well done Simi for bringing the South American Samba to an exciting Climax! The Controllers have now decided on the route for "Adventure Africa" named in recognition of Vacs007 who ran this on the old Mutleys Forum. Here of an overview of the route. I will be writing to you all and publishing the departure board as soon as I can get all the web stuff done. Thanks you all for making the South American Samba a great success Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hopefully everyone got a mail tonight with the preview of the flights available. Don't forget if you do not wish to keep receiving group mail then just reply changing the subject to UNSUBSCRIBE and I will get the message :eyebrow: As mentioned in my mail I really do thank all of you that have made this a success. I hope Adventure Africa will carry on this tradition and hope to see some new pilots on board. All the best, Mut Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I second the new pilots thought. Come on, guys! Jump right in - the water's fine. We don't care about your experience, your hardware, your editing talent or any of that. We just want to see some people who love to fly. The only skill needed beyond that is to push a screenshot button from time to time. If you're unsure about uploading and posting, let us know - someone, or several someones will jump in to help you. I guarantee it. John Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Looking good, Joe - and I guess I should thank John for his input too! I'll email you with my choice later - then, it's off to sunnier (I hope) climes. Venice - here we come..... Cheers - Dai. :eyebrow: p.s. Back on the 27th - I might be able to steal a glance at the Hangar, but until then, take care y'all!! Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 NoTAM, The Adventure Africa board has been published, hopefully you have received your emails from me John will be making his flight to kick us off at the weekend so that gives us plenty of time to consider our flights! Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
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