needles 1,013 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Hi Guys, Thought some of you would like to watch this tonight. It should be interesting. Airplane crash on TV tonight (Thurs) C4 9.00pm. A controlled deliberate crash of a 747 I believe. Pilots bail out and then the A/C is controlled into a crash by remote control. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Good catch, Bri - I'll probably miss it as we don't receive terrestrial TV here in our particular neck of the woods. Still, more than 40,000 passengers have booked the flight: Should be interesting to see how many survive! When I used to be asked where I wanted to sit, I always said "By the engines, please", figuring that the nuts and bolts at that point in the airframe were probably the strongest! We'll see... Cheers - Dai. Link to post Share on other sites
britfrog 180 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Flying as i have had to in recent months with ryanscare i would go so far as to say all their landings are controlled crashes, yet no-one seems to make videos of them Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 It's a 727, and I think I have 22A! Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 That was a cool show. Lots of logistical problems to take care of to complete their goal. I was surprised to see the 337 being used as a chase plane at first and wasn't surprised to see them replace it for something faster. I now know where I am going to sit next time I do fly. Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 When I used to be asked where I wanted to sit, I always said "By the engines, please", figuring that the nuts and bolts at that point in the airframe were probably the strongest! We'll see... Looks like I might have been right: From The Independent - Scientists, including Anne Evans, a former senior investigator with Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch who examined the Lockerbie crash, pored over the wreckage. They concluded that the pilots and front-row passengers would almost certainly have been killed (a warning to first-class ticket-holders, perhaps). Those in the centre would have survived with minor injuries. Passengers at the rear would have been mostly unharmed. And here's a link to short video from The Telegraph's website: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/9236653/Passenger-jet-crashed-for-TV-show.html Personally, I thought she was nose down and would probably survived even with the gear up if the attitude had been positive. Maybe next time... Cheers - Dai. Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin Firth 114 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 It was stated right at the end that every crash is different. One thing to note though was that the engines stayed intact and running even after the crash. There are very few a/c now with that high and rear engine configuration, so it would be likely that different a/c types with under wing engines would suffer more significant engine damage, which would consequently increase the risk of fuel spill and ignition with obvious implications for passengers. I think you're right that a slight flare before impact would have resulted in a different outcome structurally. Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 World-wide viewers - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-plane-crash/4od And apparently in that crash I would have survived. Right next to the exit Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just watched it on 4OD - very interesting. I think the fact that every crash is different was slightly overlooked - but what is a typical crash? Most involve fire a la Air France 358, where there was high vertical speed but low horizontal speed, yet everyone got out. Then you have Kegworth, where there was no fire. And British Airtours 28M - the list goes on and on. The engines are a key part - only DC-9s/MD-80's are in regular, commerical services (yes, DC-10's/MD-11's/TriStars are in use, but not in great numbers) Would have been fun if it was an Airbus post A300/310 Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 It was an interesting show, it showed just how tough Boeing aircraft were built, But it was a 40 year old design, surely it would have been more representative to use something newer that is still in widespread use. And notic that inspite of their being several of these controlled crashes done in the past, not one of them has featured a widebody aircraft. Surely there are enough of them to choose from parked out in the desert. Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Some of the old 747's are certainly out there, along with various TriStars, DC-10's...... Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 It's scary to think that when the first B747 flew I was 9 years old and watched it on the news bulletins on a Black and White TV. I'm now 52! Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I think statistically, the rear is the safest place. In many crashes, the tail cone and empennage are torn from the rest of the AC and remain more or less intact. Everything forward seems to act as a "crumple zone" and absorbs some of the energy, causing the deceleration g-forces of the aft section to be the lowest. Nothing's guaranteed, of course... John Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I wonder if we will start to see first class cabins in the rear of planes since the rich seem to think of the rest of us as a "crumple zone" anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Shh! don't tell them that. They musn't find out that they paid a fortune to be the first ones to die! Link to post Share on other sites
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