hlminx 301 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hi all Well, i'd like to say that the re-install of FSX and all the programs on my FS PC was going well, but alas, one step forward has been followed by several steps back.. Need some help from those of you who have FTX Global, Vector and FTX PNW.. I treated myself to Global Base and Vector in the May sale, and now that I have started to install my scenery software I am encountering all sorts of problems with trees in the middle of runways, aprons, and strange photo-like scenery underneath the runway! Where did all those car parking areas under the runway come from?? To illustrate what I mean, here are 3 pics all taken at S50 (Auburn Municipal in Washington state), one with Default FSX, one with FTX Global ticked, and the last with FTX PNW (FTX Central set to North America) Default FSX FTX Global Base & Vector FTX PNW (FTX Central set to North Amercia) So far I have tried the following in an attempt to resolve: Deleted PNW and reinstalled Installed the updates for Vector (1.35), and the Patches 5 and 8 for PNW Updated the Orbx libraries Un-ticked the Vector setting for frozen lakes Tried other airports in the general area including S35.. same problem with trees in the middle of the runway I don't suppose that anyone with all 3 programs would be able to load up S50 and S35 to see if they are having the same problem? If anyone has any ideas as to what i need to do to sort this out, i would be ultra grateful... its been driving me potty and I've now wasted an entire day without being able to say I have installed anything... Thanks guys Link to post Share on other sites
Jess-b 420 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 hey Steph, Here's a pic from my setup with all three running. I'm guessing there's a screw up in you're scenery library somewhere. Check the following 1. That PNW is above the vector stuff. Generally it should be Airports, Regions then vector. 2. Vectors position in the scenery library should be below 'Africa' (at least it is in mine!) with the ORBX!VECTOR_AEC sitting just above the default Scenery at the bottom 3. Did you install the latest PNW or was it an old copy?The Latest verion 1.80 doesn't need the patches, though FTX central 2 should advise. Check the position of those and see if it helps. Best wishes, Jess 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Thanks for the reply Jess Looks like it's another wipe Link to post Share on other sites
wain 879 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Have you gone into ORBX CEntral and set it to the particular area?...did you run the tool that checks for elevation etc..i think its called vector configuration tool but I may be wrong.. you get to it via ORBX Central.. Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted June 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 OK.. update on the scenery Looks like my add ons are all in the correct place but i still have all sorts of rubbish showing up such as 'car park' photo scenery instead of grass, and trees sprouting from all over the place. http://fs-snaps.com/images/2016/06/04/Orbxlist150616.jpg My install order seems to be bang on, so i don't have a clue what the problem is now. I'd uninstalled all the software on my PC right back to Windows and the MOBO, graphics card etc. before i installed Global and Vector, plus i have the correct 'region' selected in FTX, and i have updated and run the latest libraries file. I'm at a loss.. Can't think of many more options before a Windows reinstall Thanks for those that have replied and tried to help.. Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Hi Steph, It strikes me you may have a lot of old data in your scenery cache and I think that clearing the cache would be the next thing to try. I am away from my FS PC at the moment so cannot remember the path in FTX Central but it shouldn't be difficult to find and I can investigate in the morning if you have not solved the problem before then. Cheers, Joe Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 16 hours ago, mutley said: Hi Steph, It strikes me you may have a lot of old data in your scenery cache and I think that clearing the cache would be the next thing to try. Hi Joe Thanks for the suggestion. My Scenery library page automatically clears the cache on exit so I'm confused about what old data it could be. I wiped everything before I reinstalled FSX and then added on the Orbx stuff, so there shouldn't be anything non standard. I also installed in the order recommended by ORBX; Global Base, then Vector, and then PNW. I've run the automatic elevation tool from Vector to adjust any entries, just in case they were the problem, but still no difference at Auburn (S50). One thing i did notice in my sceen shot is that the ORBX!OPENLC entries were upside down in my screen shot when i was trying something out, but i have re-opened the scenery settings and it has automatically put them back in the right order of: ORBX!OPENLC_EUROPE1 - at the top ORBX!OPENLC_NAMERICA1 - in the middle ORBX!OPENLC_BASE - at the bottom Doesn't seem to make any difference to my threshold car park whichever way round they are. Back to the drawing board Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Hi Steph, I was thinking of the flush scenery index option in FTX Central / Tools however, it no longer appears to be there in there I think your next best option is to open a ticket with Orbx and send them a report via the troubleshooting / Diagnostic reporter tool in FTX Central and they may be able to offer some suggestions. ATB Joe Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) On 05/06/2016 at 12:57, mutley said: Hi Steph, I was thinking of the flush scenery index option in FTX Central / Tools however, it no longer appears to be there in there I think your next best option is to open a ticket with Orbx and send them a report via the troubleshooting / Diagnostic reporter tool in FTX Central and they may be able to offer some suggestions. ATB Joe Yep.. considering that as my last resort (well, before a complete FSX reinstall).. Just wondering if i should uninstall Global and Vector, there is no detail in the instructions to say the safest way to do it. Global does come with a deinistaller but not Vector. I'm wondering if i would cause more trouble or not. I have to say that in the past when i have had to uninstall Orbx stuff that it always went badly and i ended up having to go back to earlier images. Edited September 12, 2016 by hlminx Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 My understanding of Vectors, OpenLC and Global is that they replace the default textures so are only uninstallable by restoring any back ups you made before installing. Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 On 05/06/2016 at 14:26, mutley said: My understanding of Vectors, OpenLC and Global is that they replace the default textures so are only uninstallable by restoring any back ups you made before installing. Thanks Joe Going to uninstall orbx and fsx then start again I think. Let's hope it works next time round Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Well, so much for wiping everything on my PC back to Windows 7 and starting from scratch.. I got as far as instaling FSX, FTX Global Base, then Global Vector, then Open LC Europe... and then it all went pear-shaped as soon as i installed PNW! I kept exlicit notes, took copies of the scenery library file each time, ran the Vector config tool every time i added each piece of software, and it still went pete tong. I have posted to the FTX forum but so far zip.. By all accounts S50 isnt affected by PNW or Vector so they don't even have a Vector config setting to adjust its elevation.. I already have months worth of re-installing to do to get anywhere near where i was a month back, but i can't see what else i can do.. If anyone has any suggestions, i'd be grateful.. either on here or on the FTX site (just search for Scenery issues at S50) Edited June 27, 2016 by hlminx Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Sorry to hear this Steph, thinking caps on... Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 I can't think of anything that hasn't been suggested here already, all great answers so I feel your pain here and hope something comes up. Just a simple thing really but just checking if you are re-downloading all the sceneries from Global on up before re-installing. Also for the heck of it checking that the scenery order is correct when you look in FTX Central, on the Tools tab click Scenery Library Configuration/FTX Scenery Library Insertion Points. If the order is all good click on Save and Exit to confirm. Hope it gets figured out, it's an odd problem and one of FSX's favorite pastimes. You would think it's alive and laughing at us. Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted July 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Well, i haven't been on here for a while for various reasons, but as soon as i turned on and saw the mess that Global / Vector has casued to my system, i just wanted to shut it off again. I'm sure i'm not the only one who, due to the pressures of normal life, needs the simple pleasure of being able to turn on the PC and just fly.. The complete mess that is now my view of North America is not one that gives me much incentive to partake in, and following 2 reinstalls both from FSX upwards, i am no closer to even a passable representation of a landscape. I usually have the patience of someone with more advanced years, but I can't see many ways out of this other than to ditch the Global and Vector (no refund, of course!) and go back to the world the way it was.. which i prefer, and which actually works! Edited September 12, 2016 by hlminx Now sorted Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Damn. So sorry to hear you still haven't got this sorted out...No help at all from the ORBx people???!!! That is MOST troubling to me...customer support problems are never good news. I too have found the FTX forums to be a poor source of help when I have had issues...my forum questions have been either totally ignored, or I get one or two cryptic responses without clarification from other customers, never from Devs. The best support seems to come with problems with specific Payware fields where I contact them via Email, and a dev for that scenery will often personally get back to you to solve the issue with "their work"...but, I never received good answers for issues with Global, or integrating "other products" with ORBx regions...specifically an Aerosoft scenery that killed my frame rates by Doubling up Textures in the new scenery area...San Francisco, as if that area needed any more stress on frame rates...doh. I have had mostly good experiences with FTX global and vector, but I definitely find the occasional area where textures are obviously "tiled" incorrectly...in my case, often Between airports, not directly on top of them...so not such a horribad problem to deal with as your horribad airfield textures up there^, but I also find island strips hanging half on a beach/half off shore...kind of a pain in the A when it's a new to me destination I am hauling a cargo to when I discover the issue. Since I have had poor response to questions on the forum, I have never gone out of my way to "report" those funky tiles and fields, I just literally work around them. Edited July 9, 2016 by Captain Coffee Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 That really sucks Steph, you sound so sad. So I gather the FTX site did not help out, that's even worse since their the experts. You mentioned that things went pear shaped when you installed the PNW, can you live without that region? Maybe moving to another FSX compatible sim like SE or P3D. Like you said, it sucks to be not able to fly. Thin advice I know but just trying to help. Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the support guys..means a lot :-) I really miss being on MH and miss flying, which is something that has given me very little pleasure of late. Yup, to say i'm disillusioned with the whole thing at the mo would be an understatement. I did get a reply from one guy in South Africa highlighting the complete mess the latest LIBs file is, and that it seems to be causing all sorts of problems. So question for you.. I still have a copy of the old version of the LIBS 160321 If i was to run that, even though i have run 160528 (which is the copy causing a lot fo people grief), would that mess things up even more? I have, for the 5th time now, restored to a previous image of my PC, whcih only has the following: FSX with Accelleration FTX Global (which includes ONLY FTX Central 2, and not FTX Central which i used to have with my old set up before global) Vector LIBS 160528 ... and nothing else! The other question is about the scenery library: If i was to load PNW 1.0 (my perfectly legit boxed copy) Load the patches 05 and 08 Run either the good or bad ORBXLIBS ... could i then just untick Global and vector so that PNW works the way it used to? The thing i'm not sure about is the absence of FTX Central which is where you have to set the area to North America before loading the patches for PNW (and other Regions i still have to re-install). Before i had to Image Restore again, i did have an icon for it which appeared after i ran the LIBS file after patch 05, but it didn't show up as a proper icon (appeared like one of those nondescript Windows files which has no association) One last question. Jess mentioned about a verion of PNW 1.8.. but where do i get it if i have a boxed copy from Aerosoft? Is it downloadable from anywhere so that i can just put in my key from my boxed copy? Here's hoping that there is an answer out there that works and that i can implement before i really DO turn grey! :-) Steph Edited September 12, 2016 by hlminx Now sorted Link to post Share on other sites
Schaefer 1 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hi Stephen, Came across your thread as I also have been thinking about moving from UTX/GEX to Orby. The trees still remain an issue along with many other things. I will stick with what I've got. (Which is a 5 year old HP140 with a medium in chip. Runs well on WIN10 but has taken months of prudent tuning.) You have my sympathies the and I wish you luck. One of the fs98's Schaefer DK Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Godden 945 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ooops, I hope you don't take that as an insult, Steph. I've at least seen the photos and there's no doubt in my mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
needles 1,013 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Something you want to tell us Steph? I hope it didn't hurt. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Probably just dropped an "ie"...ie: Stephenie. If not, go with Steven...much easier to spell. Link to post Share on other sites
hlminx 301 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) On 09/08/2016 at 09:37, Schaefer said: Hi Stephen, Came across your thread as I also have been thinking about moving from UTX/GEX to Orby. The trees still remain an issue along with many other things. I will stick with what I've got. (Which is a 5 year old HP140 with a medium in chip. Runs well on WIN10 but has taken months of prudent tuning.) You have my sympathies the and I wish you luck. One of the fs98's Schaefer DK On 09/08/2016 at 11:28, Andrew Godden said: Ooops, I hope you don't take that as an insult, Steph. I've at least seen the photos and there's no doubt in my mind. On 09/08/2016 at 14:38, needles said: Something you want to tell us Steph? I hope it didn't hurt. Lol.. no offence taken. I'm still as I have always been, but you'd still rarely find me in a skirt! To be honest, I only picked this up a week or so ago as i haven't been on the forums, or on my Sim for a couple of months. Initially the issue with the trees all over the place, stranger textures, and not being able to fly anywhere in PNW region without flying into a tree, had left me rather jaded. I had reinstalled more times than i can recall, followed all the instructions to the letter and still had a dogs dinner. I decided to leave it till i got back from holiday and had a bit more time, and willpower to turn on the Sim. When i finally got to it, my PC kept on shutting down after 5 seconds to 5 minutes, so then followed a day of taking the whole thing apart, trying SSDs in hubby's PC, reseating the RAM, using hubby's boot HD with my mobo, GPU and PSU, and finally we figured out that it was the PSU. Corsair have a 5 year guarantee so it went back (still waiting for them to decide what they are going to do about it as they no longer make the same type), ordered a nice new shiny EVGA 850P2, and then putting the PC all back together. Long story short but i logged on this morning, still had trees all over the place so while i was backing stuff up before reinstall, i happened across a 3 year old post. Basically he summised that one of the PNW installers could corrupt the Terrain.cfg so he kindly attached a copy of his to his post. Low and behold, the trees have now gone! Well, from PNW and the other US airfields i have so far tried. I don't know if this will work for everyone.. it may or may not, but its a quick thing to backup the original .cfg pop in the new one and see if it rocks your world, like it did mine. Its on the main firum under 'ftx global install issue' from 2013. Fialing that.. my internet trolling also uncovered something called 'Lumberjack' (queue the Monty Python song!) Might also be worth a go. I've got issues with trees all over Compton Abbas (crashes as soon as i load the location), but I haven't installed any of the other ORBX stuff apart from PNW, Global and Vector.. Once i get England on there it might be a different story. I'm hoping one with a happy ending, of course, because i'm a girlie and i like happy endings Edited September 12, 2016 by hlminx Dont think im allowed to post a link to another site Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Steph, that is great news! Strange how your terrain.cfg would get corrupted on each installation but the main thing is (hopefully) the curse has been broken. Happy flying! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wain 879 Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 glad you seem to have it sorted, its a right pain when something goes all wonky....hope you get to enjoy some flying now..... Link to post Share on other sites
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