CAT3508 343 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) A Beechcraft King Air B200 has just crashed and burnt on take off from Essendon (YMEN) airport. Catastrophic engine failure apparently. 5 POB, it was a charter flight on its way to King Island. Very sad, RIP Edited February 21, 2017 by CAT3508 Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ouch! Any survivors? Turbine failures are not unknown but relatively infrequent. John Link to post Share on other sites
CAT3508 343 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 No survivors, 4 passengers and pilot. Apparently, the passengers were all from the USA, on a golf tour. Neil. Link to post Share on other sites
needles 1,013 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Another sad story for aviation. Link to post Share on other sites
Corsaire31 419 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Some local info : http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/02/aircraft-crashes-at-essendon-airport/ http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/plane-crash-at-melbourne-airport/news-story/96278ddf2d5cb871f6bad77a17a0d331 Edited February 21, 2017 by Corsaire31 Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Sad to hear of another accident. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Coffee 2,030 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Terrible news, only ray of light is no one at the shopping center was killed by the impact. Condolences to families of those on board. Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Sad news indeed. Tough break, not much you can do when one engine goes out at that speed and altitude. Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 After reviewing eight pages of posts on this accident at PPRUNE, I can say without fear of contradiction that, "Nobody knows nothing." Lots of maybes, of course, many plausible. Also more than a little finger pointing, accusations of inaccurate information, axe grinding (airports in built-up areas, media always gets it wrong, media "aviation experts" are anything but, etc.), instinctive defense of the pilot and all the usual fluff and feathers that are part of the normal post-crash PPRUNE forum content. You learn to filter most of that out if you read their post-crash stuff with any regularity. Wind was 4 knots from NW but he chose Rwy 17 instead of the much longer and more favorably oriented Rwy 26. He made two radio calls after the problem began but no transcripts available. One report says he reported a "catastrophic" engine failure. WX was moderate - environmental conditions (aside from slightly unfavorable wind, given the runway choice) appears to not be a factor. Most there seem to agree that a King Air 200 at standard atmosphere, sea level, MTOW, can handily climb on one engine if managed properly, and in most cases, even if not managed properly. One described it as a "rocketship" on one engine if you can get it to 121 knots. There was a claim of a single engine climb rate of 700-1000 fpm at 121 knots, MTOW, standard atmosphere, gear and flaps up. That's pretty respectable. One potential is that a rotation at V1, well below VMC (~95 KIAS vs. ~121 KIAS, I think) because of the short runway, left him in a vulnerable window until reaching 121 knots. If the engine failure occurred within that window, he's got to do several things right and talking on the radio is not on the list. If the above is what occurred, there was probably not enough runway left to abort the takeoff - he had to fly out of it. The King Air 200 has autofeather and rudder boost, both, if operable, would reduce pilot workload in that situation and would improve the chances of flying out of it successfully. Indications are that the gear was still down at impact but not really confirmed. It was stated by someone on that site that 0 flaps is normal for a B200 takeoff at MTOW, but unknown what was selected. John EDIT: It's reported that there were five aboard, including the single pilot, full fuel, four golf bags, and presumably, luggage. The flight was bound for King Island in the Bass Straight and had enough fuel for the return flight too. Even with all that load, it's stated that it was below MTOW - don't know how much, but supposedly not overweight, at least. ANOTHER EDIT: Real World runway lengths... 17/35 = 4,934' 08/26 = 6,302' Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 They are up to 14 pages of comments at PPRUNE on this crash now. I don't know why I read them but it's one of those things that's almost compulsive, looking for something credible to believe. They still don't know anything, but a number of them are at one another's throats. John Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 49 minutes ago, allardjd said: They are up to 14 pages of comments at PPRUNE on this crash now. I don't know why I read them but it's one of those things that's almost compulsive, looking for something credible to believe. They still don't know anything, but a number of them are at one another's throats. John Almost any comment board is a good source of entertainment, like a bar argument without the fist-a-cuffs. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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