allardjd 1,853 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 U.S. Navy Sending High-Tech Locators to Help Locate Air France Black Box http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525308,00.html Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Terror-Names-Linked-To-Doomed-Flight-AF-447-Two-Passengers-Shared-Names-Of-Radical-Muslims/Article/200906215300405?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15300405_Terror_Names_Linked_To_Doomed_Flight_AF_447%3A_Two_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_Muslims Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447 Uh-oh... Too soon to say for sure, but maybe it wasn't just weather or ice on pitots after all... ...or maybe it was. Link to post Share on other sites
wisemanp 0 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 That doesn't make good reading, at all. How long until the conspiracy theorists start? Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 How long until the conspiracy theorists start? Suprised they haven't started yet! Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 How ironic would it be if two terrorists died in an entirely accidental airplane crash...? Talk about mixed feelings. John Link to post Share on other sites
stu7708 244 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 This morning a swedish tabloid claims that they have found the black box from Flight 447. At least that's what the title claims. Reading on it's stated that one of the subs involved in the search has picked up signals belived to come from one, or both, of the flight recorders. Can't find anything else written in a language I can understand, but the article states "Le Monde" as the source of the information. If anyone here understand french I'm guessing this is the article they are refering too. http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2009/06/23/les-boites-noires-de-l-airbus-rio-paris-reperees_1210102_3224.html Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Translation : The inquiry into reasons of the accident of A330 of Air France assuring the theft Rio-Paris, which disappeared on the June 1st in Atlantic off the Brazilian coasts, is it going to advance in next days? Perhaps, if the black boxes of the plane Link to post Share on other sites
wisemanp 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Using the French learnt at GCSE (From a very poor teacher), I managed to understand most of the article! It seems they have received some weak signals but cannot be sure whether they are from 'les boites noires' or not. Link to post Share on other sites
stu7708 244 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 if the black boxes of the plane Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yep - I used an online translator! Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Air France has made a statement today that there was no in-flight breakup - they believe the AC was intact when it hit the water. Even though the 30-day "certified" pinger life has passed, the search for the recorders will continue for another ten days. John EDIT: More - it seems to be coming in bits and pieces... LE BOURGET, France - A French investigator says speed sensors were a factor but were not the cause of the crash of Air France flight 447. Alain Bouillard, leading the investigation into the June 1 crash for the French accident investigation agency BEA, says the sensors, called Pitot tubes, were not the only factor. He says "it is an element but not the cause." JDA Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 From AVWebFlash... Air France Investigation Enters Next Phase Multiple submarines remain in the search for sunken debris, but they will no longer be actively "listening" for emergency signals from the recorders aboard Air France Flight 447. It's been more than 40 days since the Airbus A330-220, with 228 aboard, crashed in the Atlantic ocean while en route out of Rio de Janeiro for Paris -- the aircraft's flight data and cockpit voice recorders are designed to emit signal for 30 days. "All is not lost," Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, director of Air France-KLM told the Le Figaro last week. Brazil's military last month called off the search for floating debris and bodies having recovered 51 bodies (including that of one of the flight's pilots), some 640 pieces of aircraft wreckage and not a single inflated life vest. Examination of wreckage has led investigators to believe the aircraft broke up after striking the water in a fairly flat attitude at high speed and on track with its route. With investigators citing the aircraft's own automated reports of inconsistent air data, an Air France pilots' union Wednesday accused safety authorities of failing to prevent the crash. The unions published a letter Wednesday stating that agencies had failed to act on information that certain pitot tubes fitted to certain Airbus aircraft were known to have faults. Link to post Share on other sites
wisemanp 0 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Seem to be quite a bit of finger pointing going on here... It seems like quite a lot has gone to the bottom? Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Probe Finds Airspeed Sensors Failed on at Least 12 U.S. Flights I don't know if this makes it any more certain that the pitots were "the" cause, quite possibly they were not, but it does further confirm that they were prone to problems. It may be something as simple as a too-low wattage heater or that the placement and configuration of the heater left some portion of the probe subject to icing up. John http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,538122,00.html Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Well, well, well. Airbus needs to do somem explaining. And the airlines and the FAA Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 French Investigators End Search for Flight 447 Black Boxes It's a sad thing, because absent the data in the boxes, what remains is largely educated guesswork and no one can be sure what brought down AF 447. It is to be hoped that another plane load of people don't have to die in order for Airbus to detect a latent problem. There may not be one... but there may be too. We just don't have the data to know. John Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 New search starting for Air France black boxes There was a time when the US SOSUS system (seabed listening devices) could hear a Russian submarine sailor break wind and from the sound analysis, get not only the location, depth, speed and heading, but what region of the Soviet Union the cabbage came from. OK, I'm exaggerating a little, but the wreckage of the USS Scorpion was located based on very faint SOSUS anomalies. If 447 made enough noise hitting the surface or the bottom, there may have been a detectable event on the SOSUS recorders. I sincerely hope the CVR and FDR are located and retrieved - it's important. We'll never understand the reasons for this crash unless they are. It would be interesting to know how Airbus and Air France feel about this. Potentially, either or both could lose a lot of money if the cause of the crash is ever determined with enough certainty to fuel the lawsuits of the victim's survivors. John Link to post Share on other sites
rob16584 42 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 I'm with you John, I hope that they recover enough to determine what happened. Would the tapes in the CVR and FDR still be in-tact after all this time I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Quote Would the tapes in the CVR and FDR still be in-tact after all this time I wonder? I think they would be, Rob. I suspect that the recorders may not use tape at all any more - probably something more like a hard disk or flash memory I would think. In any case I believe the process includes rinsing in fresh water and drying carefully before applying any power if the device has been in water. I understand the sea bottom there amounts to a very rugged mountain range, so even if they're in the right area this is far from a sure thing. John Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 New search for Air France plane ends in failure http://my.earthlink.net/article/int?gui ... 30e43fccfb PARIS (AP) Link to post Share on other sites
hurricanemk1c 195 Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Personally, I don't think they'll find the recorders and/or wreckage anytime soon Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 France to hunt again for vanished Rio-Paris flight http://flightaware.com/news/ap/France-to-hunt-again-for-vanished-RioParis-flight/2498 Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Airbus gives new warning on speed sensors "Airbus said Tuesday it has discovered in some cases two Pitot tubes can give matching, incorrect speed data, which could lead pilots to re-engage autopilot prematurely. Airbus spokesman Justin Dubon said the warning advises pilots not to re-engage automatic pilot following questionable readings from airspeed indicators until they have double-checked the readings. Pitots are suspected of a role in the June 1, 2009, Rio-to-Paris crash that came during a strong thunderstorm over the Atlantic." Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Air France Faces Charges Over 2009 Crash http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/18/air-france-faces-charges-200-crash/?test=latestnews "A French judge has filed preliminary charges against Air France over a 2009 crash that killed all 228 people aboard a jet that plunged into the Atlantic Ocean." "...a day after filing similar charges against Airbus, the maker of the doomed jet." Link to post Share on other sites
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