MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 routine training flight engine starts sputtering 30sec into the clip instructor takes over and crash land in a field; all caught on tape transcript: 0:09 TOWER - AIW respond to LLMG 0:12 AIW - LLMG responding to LLMG 0:16 AIW - LLMG Hello, AIW approaching Afula (the town ahead) 1500ft for landing 0:22 TOWER - AIW LLMG 1500ft approaching afula 0:27 Student to Instructor - are you taking over? 0:28 Instructor - oh no 0:32 Student - What happened 0:34 Instructor - im taking over, im taking over 0:41 AIW (calling Tower) - Pluto? 0:43 Tower - LLMG 0:47 AIW - with you in a second 0:49 AIW - my engine about to shout off 0:52 Tower - HG 1500ft to Sharon by 2993 (instructions to LLMG for another incoming aircraft) 0:56 Instructor to Student - looks like crash landing in the field 1:01 AIW - Pluto Mayday Mayday Mayday AIW 1:07 Instructor - ooh no, what is going on there? 1:12 AIW - Pluto AIW Mayday Mayday Mayday 1:16 Tower - what's your emergency 1:18 AIW - my engine is sputtering and about to shot off 1:22 AIW - im around Afula; i will be crash landing on a field 1:27 Tower - crash landing on a field? will you be able to land it? 1:29 AIW - affirmative 1:13 Tower - roger that; do you need emergency services sent over? 1:35 AIW - going to land... hmm on the east side of Afula 1:39 Tower - roger that; east side of Afula, if you need help let me know 1:44 AIW - rgr 1:45 Student - are we landing the field? 1:46 Instructor - yes 1:57 Instructor - hold on tight 2:00 Instructor - protect your head 2:14 Instructor - going to hit the trees! 2:28 Instructor - out 1 Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I guess that gap in the trees was a little too narrow. I never saw him put any flaps down, but hard to tell. The student/pax on the left side looked pretty relaxed after he turned over the controls. John Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 i think he was busy praying the instructor knows what he is doing; in those final few seconds your right; i didn't see flaps come out either; he was too busy keeping the engine running i think over this terrain + the speed they were banking right to touch; pulling flaps would created a lift instead he was very smart landing along the fields vertical lines; or they would have been planted face first aiming for the the gap between the trees was perfect to keep them both safe very smart decisions throughout a crisis situation Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Yep, I have to agree. It looks by and large like it was fairly well done. Not sure if he picked the best place available, but not sure that he didn't either. The pucker meter must have been deep in the yellow. That gap in the trees saved their lives, probably - they were still motoring along pretty fast yet when they hit it. John Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 it looks like thats a dirt road their crossing with a tiny ditch right before they hit the tree's if not that; they were coming way to fast to just stop; it is confirmed the aircraft suffered minor damage at the tip of both wings Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Israel? John Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 yes, in route to approach LLMG http://skyvector.com/airport/LLMG/Megiddo-Airport Link to post Share on other sites
britfrog 180 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 hopefully this is one instructor now jobless, that was an awful example of a forced landing he had loads of choice and cocked it up. and what was he doing pumping the throttle like that ? he did not make sure their belts were extra tight, he didnt shut off the fuel, cut off the mags, no flaps, , very poor show indeed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 here's the path the pilot choose shown on Google mapshttps://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zglL8L_moK3s.kd-HujBBo3lw Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 As Nigel said, that instructor wants shooting. He was too busy buggering around with the throttle to do all the correct procedures. He had a choice of fields and also what appeared to be a metalled road, yet he came in way too fast on a rough surface and bent his aircraft. My guessing is that he was bricking it and wasn't sure what to do! Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 The linked map of the flight path shows him directly over a HUGE field while on the base leg before the final turn, and he was lined up parallel with the furrows. I don't think it would have been difficult to shed the extra altitude and get down into that one with a lower touchdown speed and lot more room to roll out. Flaps sure would have helped if he'd chosen that field. Having said that, not sure what the wind was doing either, so maybe that one had a bad crosswind component. I wasn't there and the video only shows so much, so we probably shouldn't be too critical. He did bend the airplane, but they both walked away and that's what it's all about. A lot of people have killed themselves trying to avoid bending the airplane. John EDIT I'd always be very leery of roads unless it's a freeway - power lines are really easy to see from down here looking up but are practically invisible from up there looking down. With no power or degraded power, a go around is not an option so a "sure thing" is the best option. JDA 2 Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 if you look up close in google map; you will notice there is a huge power line crossing right where he banks for leg 1 the line winds and twist in the same direction they were going i agree with you John; they walked away unharmed who cares about procedure's and fancy term they get to see their families; and that's all that matters 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 transcript added Link to post Share on other sites
JoHubb 1 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 A very lucky escape. The instructor did not appear to do any routine engine failure checks. So far as I can see he did not switch tanks, did not apply carb heat, did not ensure that belts were tight, and did not open the door just before touchdown. On the other hand he was low altitude and made the decision, in my view correctly, not to bother with checks, but to make a Mayday call and look immediately for a safe landing site. It's easy to be critical but this chap got three very big things right. Number 1 - he kept the aircraft flying. Number 2 - he didn't kill or injure anyone on the ground. Number 3 - they both walked away. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Any landing you can walk away from is ok in my books. He got the aircraft down in more or less one peice. But his lack of proffessionalism worries me. I really don't think he should be instructing just yet. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 little more info to shade some light over the incident here's the temperature reports for the crash site that dayhttp://www.evweather.info/wxhistory.php?lang=en#and here's the investigators report for the incident(it’s in Hebrew; I’ll try to get this translated)http://aiai.mot.gov.il/REPORT/RAI_85-14.pdfit appears the aircraft had a known issue with the fuel gauges being defective and showing 100% constantwith that when they take off; they were convinced they had enough fuel for the flight durationwhat you see happening with the engine sputtering; is because they run out of fuel!Hence the continues manual pumping you see; the instructor immediately know what’s going on!Later they also found the fuel tank cap was left off on the groundThey were forced to wait for long time on the ground before takeoff; which added to being short on fuel Link to post Share on other sites
ddavid 149 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Chris - that sort of attitude (known fault with fuel guage and leaving fuel cap off) is O.K. with tractors (I do it regularly!) but is it on when you're about to take off with a student pilot? All I can say is that they were ......... lucky! Cheers - Dai. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 agreed 100% David after learning the little details; the instructor should be grounded for not making these basic preflight checks as the instructor seeing the cap off; id refuse to take off point blank an angel was watching these two souls closely there nothing short than a miracle got them out with these compounding facts Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,498 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 At the end of the day, as Al said, they walked away from the landing, the instructor will get his comeuppance if it is deemed necessary. It made for an interesting video for the rest of us. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
dodgy-alan 1,587 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Unfortunately the age old fuel shortage problem can have tragic consequenses. When I worked at Booker we sent some of our WW1 aircraft out to the 1995 Johannisthal airshow in Germany. Our guys were prepping their aircraft for display when they became aware of a situation developing outside their hangar. It seems a BF108 Taifun (D-EFPT)was about to take a passenger on a brief aerobatic display. They had to raise the tail of the aircraft to get a reading on the fuel gauge!( All this was recorded on video by our engineer who was a CAA acredited aircraft inspector.) The aircraft then took off and displayed with minimum fuel aboard. As the aircraft came round the pilot floored the throttle and apparently appeared to try to do a barrel roll over the airfield. (it later transpired that a leading edge slat had come loose at a critical moment leaving the pilot out of options) the aircraft was on its back , nose down when the fuel ran out. they had nowhere to go. the ensuing crash was right outside our hangar. there was a brief fire, but boith occupants were already dead when the aircraft ploughed in inverted. Our crew helped recover the bodies. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPC8MyBrain 273 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 sad story Alan this case could have easily ended tragically for very simple reasons i got some of the report translated;it appears the instructor trusted the students verbal confirmation for some of the preflight checksits little confusing; he reports the students had issues concluding the right wing fuel amount,than the instructor replaced the student after he reported issues with the left wing as wellit was later confirmed with local surveillance cam that the instructor did in fact only test the left wing fuel amount;after the student handed him the gauge showing the right fuel amount he wasn’t sure about; instructor taken over and handled the left wingaccording to the report; it was the left side fuel cap that was left off,the one the instructor handled from the start 1 Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,316 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I think I would go to another flying school at this point. Link to post Share on other sites
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