dogtrack 345 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 After much deliberation decided to run the W10 upgrade on a six year old W7 laptop (Alien MX17). Cloned the HDD before starting. Well, install went ok as far as retaining settings went. One or two older programs not compatible but could live without them. Took several reboots to gain some kind of stability, after the initial install. Then the fun started. First up, all my iTunes apps got wiped as I sat and watched, one by one, when I tried to sync my phone. Now it was the turn of the Touchpad to play up. The right click button became unresponsive. A look in the Synaptics settings informed me that there were four valid installs of the device. Fixed that only to find that the Touchpad its self was now labouring to function. Sometimes the cursor would move, sometimes not....and yes, new driver was installed. Edge...well what can I say. Lets just leave it at not being cutting edge. I could have read an article in PC Pilot. the time it took to respond to address changes. Firefox ran ok but did not want to play with Free Download Manager, even though the plugin was active. Needless to say, 24 hours was enough for me. Swapped the HDD and returned to W7. Used the W10 HDD to clone my W7 install....life is good again. Perhaps in another 12 to 18 months if I decide to replace my laptop, things will be more inclined to function properly, time will tell. Have no inclination to upgrade my Sim Machine anytime soon....if it ain't broke, as they say Link to post Share on other sites
allardjd 1,853 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Thanks, Arnie, You've further confirmed my opinion that I'll wait until I need a new PC to jump into that particular bog. I have enough things on my plate now without deliberately taking on all that tweaking and torture. John Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce (a.k.a. brian747) 142 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm with John. What concerns me is the possibility (or, some would say, probability) that Micro$oft will use their so-called "security updates" to at some point forcibly update us to W10 whether we like it or not. Hopefully there'll be some way of stopping that happening (but in the interim, I'm seriously considering disabling Micro$oft Updates, just in case). (And please don't trouble to tell me that's a bad move: I'm well protected in other ways). Cheers, bruce a.k.a. brian747 Link to post Share on other sites
wain 879 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Our laptop was changed to W10 last year, and honestly its all fine, I only use it for some work related stuff and the wife browses and shops. I always use Firefox with no issues. However my Sim rig that I built is W8.1 and thats where it is staying, but thanks for sharing youe experiance with the class..... Wayne Link to post Share on other sites
mutley 4,487 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I am running Win 10 on all my PC's now. Admittedly they are all less than 2 years old and I have no complaints. I found a couple of programs that didn't work after the upgrade but did after reinstallation. Older machines are probably better off with Win 7 for the time being. Support and updates for Win 7 should be assured until Jan 14th 2020. Link to post Share on other sites
dogtrack 345 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 A very handy Tool to keep W10 and its lures off your machine. It is free but well worth a donation, it gets regular updates as MS change their tactics. I have been using it for several months now. ...GWX Control Panel, see below:- http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce (a.k.a. brian747) 142 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Thank you -- that's exactly what I have been looking for. (I was using a couple of batch files, but wasn't too happy with either of them). I'll be using that on all my Windows 7 machines.... er, which is actually all my Windoze machines. Thanks applied! Cheers, bruce a.k.a. brian747 Link to post Share on other sites
J G 927 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I wouldn't be too concerned about Microsoft updates automatically upgrading to Windows 10. Afterall your licence is with Windows 7 and Microsoft probably wont be able to do anything but offer you a free upgrade,and therefore a new licence for windows 10. Windows 7 was licensed before anyone thought of upgrading an operating system by download. Windows 10 is another beast altogether. I also think that automatic download upgrade without the PC owners permission would be a bad commercial move. MS can't test every flavour of PC out there to guarantee a successful upgrade. Over time, and with newer and more divergent windows from the one your PC originally came with would increase the risk of incompatibility. I am sure that if an automatic OS upgrade junked your (and perhaps many others) ageing PC, Microsoft would be open to all sorts of litigation. Afterall you buy a PC and then an OS to go with it, not the otherway around. At best this would cause a load of older PCs to move away from Windows, at worst, and probably after a court battle, MS could be tied into producing an operation system that MUST be backwardly compatible with the operating system version that introduced the auto update process. This would kill the operating system dead as the design and test parameters would be to huge and costly to undertake and make a profit. There would be a social aspect to this as well. The poor cant upgrade their PC as often as the rich, they just don't have that luxury. This sort of upgrade policy could be seen as disadvantaging the poor and therefore discriminatory. That's going to go to court at sometime. The other option would be to buy the OS and get a free PC with it. Not as crazy as it may seem, with cloud storage and the right design, your PC could become a dumb client to a MS controlled server. I shudder at the very thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce (a.k.a. brian747) 142 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Hi John! That's a most interesting viewpoint, thank you, but whilst I appreciate the points you are making I have to be concerned that Micro$oft has already used the mechanism of its so-called "security updates" to promote Windows 10, hence the widespread speculation that the intensity and degree of that promotion will inevitably increase. Do bear in mind the commercial reality that this is a company that can only make money if they relentlessly force upgrades on users (dare one say, regardless of the fact that the said users may be perfectly content with the version they already have). They have a certain track record in that respect.... And if the upgrade to W10 were to be forced upon users then subsequent legislation may indeed happen, but given the lethargy of legal processes it would inevitably happen far too late for all those who found themselves lumbered with W10 but who would have preferred to have remained with W7. Hence the reason why I will be proactively attempting to circumvent any such Micro$oft knavery; but for others I suppose it all depends on how confident you are concerning the universal probity of Micro$oft's actions.... Good luck to us all, Cheers, bruce a.k.a. brian747 Link to post Share on other sites
Gunner 69 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 "...I wouldn't be too concerned about Microsoft updates automatically upgrading to Windows 10...." "... automatic download upgrade without the PC owners permission would be a bad commercial move...." They tried that about 2 or 3 months ago. I set all the comps., for "notify but don't update", the home and at the office too. The office one-s are W7, at home i have 8.1. At that time, i got the notification that update is awailable. I check for the important ones, all good, thought that i should check the optional ones too. And there she is...about 8-9 optional updates , all with clear check boxes, but there is "upgrade to win 10", with the box checked. Same for the home 8.1. Who was set for automatic update(recommended by MS), become a happy win 10 user-without asking. They pulled it out after a day or two, saying that it was a mistake, but that is just one example of the MS-way of thinking. And i'm still curious, why they are so desperate to force the whole planet to use their "thing". Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce (a.k.a. brian747) 142 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 <grin> interesting "mistake", though, wasn't it? > "...I'm still curious, why they are so desperate to force the whole planet to use their 'thing'." Their 'thing' being W10? Well to discover the truth about that you'd have to ask someone at Micro$oft who would be honest with you (good luck with that), but FWIW I gave you my suggestion above — "....the commercial reality that this is a company that can only make money if they relentlessly force upgrades on users (dare one say, regardless of the fact that the said users may be perfectly content with the version they already have)." But that's just my wild guess, of course: I could be totally wrong. Cheers, bruce a.k.a. brian747 Link to post Share on other sites
J G 927 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 It's an interesting conundrum isn't it. Ms need to make sales to keep going but the need to upgrade a pc is flagging. 90% of pcs are in offices and are more than capable of doing there work without any need to upgrade. It is the gaming market which demands faster and newer pcs.Thats a small market and not one that can justify the R&D costs of ever faster pcs. MS, Intel and Apple must be desperate to invent new markets and create new demand. Link to post Share on other sites
bilirubin 50 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 A very handy Tool to keep W10 and its lures off your machine. It is free but well worth a donation, it gets regular updates as MS change their tactics. I have been using it for several months now. ...GWX Control Panel, see below:- http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads Thanks Arnie, that is a nifty little tool and after my hellish experience with Windows 10 just what I needed. Mike Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce (a.k.a. brian747) 142 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Regarding GWX — this may or may not be relevant on other people's systems but.... I implemented the GWX Control Panel and set everything to be protected, but still allowed notifications (but not downloads and certainly not installs) of Micro$oft updates. The following day I had notifications of many updates, so after weeding out (hiding, not simply unchecking) the ones I didn't want, I let it rip. The update process ran until it started the so-called "Malicious Software Removal" tool, which took about 40% CPU and hammered my C: drive for over half an hour before I killed it. So in future I'll be hiding the Malicious Tool, as well. I mention this just in case anyone else experiences the same issue (it could, of course, be sheer coincidence that I'd just installed GWX). Cheers, bruce a.k.a. brian747 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dogtrack 345 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Have always had Windows Updates turned off on all my machines.....for years. Prefer to check them myself on the second Tuesday of the month, or later. And yes, the Malicious Software Removal Tool does take forever sometimes, well, most times really. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunner 69 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 "Automatic Windows 10 installs begin..." ...http://www.techrepublic.com/article/automatic-windows-10-installs-begin-but-how-easy-are-they-to-stop/#ftag=YHF87e0214 Link to post Share on other sites
brett 2,284 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 How dare they. Link to post Share on other sites
dogtrack 345 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 LOL....Horses to water, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
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